How to Heal Your Lyme When Nobody Believes Your Symptoms Are Real

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Lauren Keller, Founder of Two Purple Carrotsy

Lauren Keller is a Lyme and Chronic Illness Warrior who founded Two Purple Carrots after learning how to heal herself. Doctor after doctor would chalk up Lauren’s symptoms to being too stressed, depressed, and anxious. How many of us have heard that we need to go see a psychiatrist because our symptoms aren’t real? Finally, Lauren decided to take her healing journey into her own hands. Tune in to learn how Lauren Keller got better and is now a wellness guide and mentor for others.

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Mimi MacLean, Lauren Keller

Mimi MacLean  00:03

Welcome to the heal podcast for all things related to Lyme disease and other chronic illnesses. I’m Mimi MacLean, mom of five, founder of Lyme 360, and a Lyme warrior. Tune in each week to hear from doctors, health practitioners and experts to hear about their treatments, struggles and triumphs to help you on your healing journey. I’m here to heal with you. Welcome back to that heal podcast. This is Mimi. And today we have on Lauren Keller from two purple carrots, and she’s calling in from Spain. Lauren, thank you so much for coming on today. I’m so excited to hear all about your journey and your company and how you’re helping other Lyme patients.

Lauren Keller  00:41

Yeah, thank you so much for having me. I’m really excited.

Mimi MacLean  00:44

So can you first start out just by telling us your journey, because I know that’s what makes you kind of special is that you’ve been on this journey. And you know how it feels? Which is such a hard, you know, it’s hard to describe to other people who haven’t experienced it.

Lauren Keller  00:56

Yeah, it’s so funny. It seems like a lot of people make their way to this field having come from their own health journey, right? So I had like my quote, unquote, crash in 2011. And really just, I had been diagnosed with endometriosis before, and I knew that that was a health issue for me. But before then had really pretty good health besides this sort of period issue. And in 2011, I really just kind of woke up one day and felt bad. And in the beginning, I thought that I was just had a really bad version of the flu, and that I would get over it. And then two weeks past three weeks passed, more and more symptoms piled on I started getting like air hunger, shortness of breath, 24, seven headaches, I was so fatigued, there was a point where I was sleeping 20 hours a day. Really, you name a symptom, and I probably had it at some point, severe muscle cramping hot to the point where I was actually having fainting episodes. And I just had no idea what was wrong with me. And so I think like everybody, you know, I went to all of the Western medical doctors, and then all of the tests and everything was coming back, you know, pretty normal. And finally, at the end, I think like most I got sent to a psychiatrist and basically was told, you know, you probably have depression, anxiety you should take.

Mimi MacLean  02:17

I hate that.

Lauren Keller  02:19

It’s just horrible. It’s like horrible. Like, you know, it was a 27 year old, perfectly functioning.

Mimi MacLean  02:24

I want to live my life. I don’t be like sick.

Lauren Keller  02:27

Yes. So I did go see the psychiatrist, and he did an MRI. And he actually thought that I had multiple sclerosis. And so I sort of went with that diagnosis for a while, but for some reason, it just didn’t feel right to me, because a lot of the symptoms I was experiencing were really outside of the realm of multiple sclerosis symptoms. And finally, I actually went to go see a headache specialist, which sounds really funny now, because of all the symptoms that I had, you know, how you kind of get like, focused in on that. One thing that you just really hate the most?

Mimi MacLean  03:03

Yeah, well, headaches are awful if you have a bad one, right? I mean, it’s horrible.

Lauren Keller  03:07

It’s horrible. And mine were literally 24-7, I would go to bed with them, I would wake up with a I just felt like I got no reprieve. And I’ve tried everything. So I went to this headache specialist who basically said, You know, I can maybe treat you for your headaches, but I think you have Lyme disease. And I was like, Lyme disease, you know,

Mimi MacLean  03:25

That’s amazing. No, we were was this headache specialist. Where was he located.

Lauren Keller  03:29

So he was in New Jersey, and I was living in Alaska. So how did you even find them online, just like we all do, searching like the best headache person in the world. And he kept popping up. He was actually a dentist. And he had this headache dedicated clinic. And that’s all he did all day, every day. He’s since retired. But he said, you know, you should get tested for Lyme before you decide to come back all the way from Alaska and do treatment with me. He said, because I don’t know that it’s just a structural issue for you. That’s giving you the headaches. Okay, well, I’ll do the Lyme test, I took my report and I wasn’t consistently and I actually came back positive by CDC standards for Lyme. So in a way, it was a bit of a blessing, you know that I didn’t go through all the Igenex testing and stuff that’s very expensive. But that really brought me into this whole world of you know, it’s not just about the Lyme, it’s about a lot of things. And so I initially started treatment with an llmd who treated very traditionally with lots of antibiotics and antifungals. Very little support, very little detoxification, very little talk about the terrain or mold or other things that could be affecting health. And I actually didn’t get better doing the antibiotics. I always say like for Lyme I think the antibiotics did absolutely nothing for me. And for the VCO which I also tested for I think it did actually really helped me a lot being on antibiotics, a lot of the air hunger and night sweats and things didn’t go away with that. But at the end of the day, I was still left fairly debilitated. And I stopped seeing that person started doing my own certifications, and really just healed myself after that.

Mimi MacLean  05:05

That’s amazing. So you’ve found did klinghardt help you get? Because you’re klinghardt certified? Correct? Yep. Did you start going to him as a patient? Or did you start just doing his certifications, and then kind of found him that way?

Lauren Keller  05:17

Yeah, I just started doing his certifications, and started doing ART certifications. And then did every course that he came out with listen to every lecture he ever did, did the ILADS training program, which is fairly, you know, traditional with a lot of antibiotic use, did lots of just courses on detox courses on mold, courses on digestive issues, microbiome issues, and kind of just, you know, put the whole puzzle together into something that sort of made sense to me, and kind of developed my own idea of what health looks like and kind of put it into this pyramid of what I view health to look like?

Mimi MacLean  05:55

And how long do those trainings take? Like, how long were you online learning all this?

Lauren Keller  06:00

Depends, some are, some are short, some are just, you know, like 60 hours of training, some are a little bit longer. And some I would go to a conference for three or four days and do trainings that way. So it’s kind of just a little bit here and there through the course of years. So never ending process. You know, you never stop learning. Always new stuff. It’s crazy. I’m always doing new certifications and new trainings. Always, always, always

Mimi MacLean  06:22

Right. And he has such great like, I was listening to a bunch of his like, talk online during COVID. Like he had a lot of great stuff that was always coming out, especially in light of what’s going on right now.

Lauren Keller  06:32

Yes. And he always is ahead of the game and putting out really good information and really research based and he’s such a blessing in that man. He just, he knows everything about everything. So

Mimi MacLean  06:43

no, it’s great. Okay, so once you got that certification, did you ever go back to another doctor or have you completely like done it all on your own since then?

Lauren Keller  06:51

I’ve done it all on my own. Since then, I’ve had some help along the way from various people. Like when I was going through SIBO treatment, I was sort of check in like, Hey, this is sort of my plan. I’m a practitioner, what do you think of this plan to kind of get like, Okay, that sounds good sort of thing. But for the most part completely on my own.

Mimi MacLean  07:11

So if someone were to come to you right now, and just says, because I get this question a lot, like, where people are like, Okay, I’m either waiting to get my appointment for my ILAD doctor, that’s like a month away. What can I do right now? Like, what would you suggest somebody to do that they can do at home with no money or very little money with expensive treatments that they could do right now just to kind of start putting their healing journey in the right direction?

Lauren Keller  07:33

Yeah, for me, it’s never about the bug, you know, you have to go back to thinking about what what is in my environment, or what is in my internal environment that’s making me a really good host for this bug. And so think about it a different way, you know, in western medicine is really good. There’s a germ, and we treat it with an antibiotic, there’s a yeast and we treat it with antifungal.

Mimi MacLean  07:54

Kill, kill, kill.

Lauren Keller  07:55

kill, kill, kill. And it’s just, you know, that’s fine for what it is. But you’re not sort of addressing like, why that bug or that thing has chosen you to be the perfect host for them. Because there’s been studies where you can test 100 people in the population, healthy and unhealthy people. And a lot of Healthy People also are walking around with Lyme disease and Lyme, you know, spirokete in their body. And so it, I don’t think it’s about the bug anymore. It’s just about what your body is lacking that’s allowing this to take hold. So I would say, you know, start working on your foundations, what is your nutrition look like? What is your environment look like? Are you living in a moldy environment? Are you eating non organic food? Are you filtering your water? Are you living in a really high EMF environment that’s going to cause all of these bugs to go crazy? What is your internal terrain look like? Is your liver functioning optimally, and your lymphatic system? And so go back to the foundations? Because that’s your base for for getting, you know, rid quote unquote, of this line bacteria?

Mimi MacLean  09:01

Okay. Yes. And that is very overwhelming, right? So I remember seeing right off the bat, someone who was like this kind of a doctor. And I was kind of like, we go, where do you even start? Right? Do you like so you have everything like, like, in your case, you had a lot of things going on? Which was my case, too. So do you start with like the mold? First, you start with the detoxing, like, Is there a plan like which one you should do first?

Lauren Keller  09:26

Yeah, so I kind of made it because I had to sort of put this stuff on paper too, to make it make sense to myself as well. So I kind of put everything in a pyramid. And I always show people this pyramid that I make that goes through the rungs of where you should start and then how you should progress to the top of the pyramid. And at the bottom are all those foundational things that I talked about. So the Wi Fi, your food, movement, to whatever extent you’re able to do that, toxicity in your environment, which could include mold or could include the products you’re using sun exposure and nature, those are sort of like at the bottom. And so let’s maximize all of those things, get rid of anything that is toxic in our environment and introduce things that are non toxic into the environment. And then above that you start getting into the the detox stuff and the organs of detox. Are you methylating. Okay, are you draining? Are you detoxing? Are there any genetic issues that we need to look at. And then from there, you can get into the actual toxic toxins, the mold, the metals, the parasites, which I kind of include in toxins, even though they’re technically in pathogen, the pesticides and the chemicals. And then above that, you have all of your viruses, retroviruses, and bacteria. And so those are kind of the last on my list of things really to do. So I usually start people with draining and binding. And then as they become stable on that, and they maybe get a little more energy, or some of the symptoms are at least dwindling a little bit, then you can start with more detoxing stuff. And then from there, you can introduce maybe some testing, looking at Okay, is there mold? Is there metals? Are there chemicals, pesticides, parasites that we need to deal with?

Mimi MacLean  11:11

Mm hmm. This is really interesting. So okay, can we talk also about because I find this really difficult to do, so I’m sure other people are, will as well, is the EMF. So like for you, like, I’m assuming you’re on a computer, I’m assuming you’re on, you use a cell phone, like what tips like we’re not all gonna get rid of our cell phones. And our computer’s like, that’s just not the world we live in. And unfortunately, we’re surrounded by Wi Fi everywhere we go, especially with 5g coming out, and rolling out. So I mean, you go to school, there’s Wi Fi, you go to Starbucks, there’s Wi Fi, you go to public, everywhere you go. There’s Wi Fi, right? What do you do on a daily basis, that’s like a low hanging fruit that someone can do without having to like hardwire in their house.

Lauren Keller  11:51

Yeah, so the biggest thing is to not be exposed to Wi Fi radiation while you’re sleeping. So if that’s the minimum amount that you can do, then that’s what you can do. So everybody can turn off their Wi Fi router, when they’re sleeping, nobody needs Wi Fi on when they’re sleeping. So at the bare minimum, turn off the Wi Fi at night, and limit your cell phone use as much as humanly possible. For me personally, I do have everything hardwired. my computer’s hard wired right now, I have my cell phone on airplane mode all day, unless I’m hardwired in which you can hardwire your cell phone.

Mimi MacLean  12:24

How do you hardwire your cell phone? Do you have like an adapter?

Lauren Keller  12:27

Yeah, so there’s an adapter that you can buy that I wish I had it right here I can show you but you plug it into your phone. And then the other side is the ethernet cord. And so you can Ethernet your phone while it’s in airplane mode, and you can still access the internet. Mm hmm.

Mimi MacLean  12:41

And what do you do like if you’re out and about going for a walk or out with your friends or whatever during the day? Do not bring your cellphone?

Lauren Keller  12:47

Airplane mode.

Mimi MacLean  12:48

Yeah, really. So you never have your phone on.

Lauren Keller  12:51

I don’t unless I really like I’m I’m out I need to look at the maps really quick or something I’ll turn it on and look. But really, I think in the beginning, like when I was really going through my healing journey, I didn’t think much about EMF Wi Fi radiation, it felt too big. But I think the more you know, klinghardt has just talked a lot more about it recently. Now I think with the onset of 5g, it’s going to be worse. But it’s it’s hard to say you can heal without this because it’s just such a big topic. I mean, there was literally $20 million study done in the US in 2016. That basically told us that Wi Fi radiation leads to cellular death and cancer. And so it’s a hard topic to ignore now, and I’ve been doing more of it in my practice now than I did previously. But it is a big topic. And it’s an expensive one, because how much does it cost to hardwire your house, but you can do the little things. And the biggest thing is just to reduce your exposure. So not having Wi Fi in your house makes a massive difference. Every foot but you’re away from a Wi Fi device, that is 10 times less radiation exposure, the farther you get away from it. So turning off your Wi Fi, even if you’re in an apartment building, like I am surrounded by Wi Fi, it doesn’t make a difference.

Mimi MacLean  14:02

Mm hmm. do those things work. Like the necklaces are the thing that you put on the back of a computer or cell phone like those little EMF devices, things that you can buy?

Lauren Keller  14:11

I’m not super impressed with a lot of that stuff. I think the only way that you can know for sure is to actually test it, you know, with a with a radiation meter.

Mimi MacLean  14:19

Which they do, like if you go on their website, right with whoever selling it, they do do that. So like you’re like, Okay, are they lying? Or does it really work? Or you know, until you actually buy it yourself and do it?

Lauren Keller  14:29

Yeah, I think probably a lot of them that are out there are not the best. Maybe I err on the side of shielding versus like using what do they call those devices that kind of they introduce good wavelengths into the environment, versus the Wi Fi is like a negative wavelength. Yeah, I don’t really love that because it’s not testable, and it doesn’t actually produce Wi Fi in your environment. So maybe those wavelengths do something beneficial for your body. I don’t know, but it doesn’t reduce the Wi Fi but I do know because it’s You can’t measure it. So I’m not a huge proponent of a lot of the shielding stuff. I think it’s better to leave things in airplane mode or turn them off or turn Wi Fi off and anything.

Mimi MacLean  15:10

Yeah. And is there any other like advice with EMF worlds that you could say like any other tips as far as trying to?

Lauren Keller  15:18

Yeah, I think there are some things you can do internally, if you know that you’re going to be surrounded by Wi Fi quite a bit, and you can’t really escape it.

Mimi MacLean  15:27

Really an airplane ride like say, if you’re traveling, like, Is there anything you take?

Lauren Keller  15:30

I do. So I take Rosemary tincture, which is shown in the literature to block radiation from the cells as well as April Paulus is another one that klinghardt talks talks about quite a bit. So I do those two when I’m traveling. I also take a homeopathic EMF protection.

Mimi MacLean  15:46

Now,, can you do those every day even if you like or not traveling? Or is that is there any negative to taking those every day?


There’s not no paules is really wonderful for the immune system in general. It was one of the things that came out as a recommendation for prevention from COVID to doing B propellers, throat sprays. There’s also a machine that outputs B propel us into your air, which is really nice for cold and flu season. Very antiviral, antibacterial, but I don’t do the internal stuff every day. I just do it when I know I’m going to be surrounded by Wi Fi or when I’m traveling. Right?

Mimi MacLean  16:18

So if you if someone comes to you and they have like symptoms, like joint pain, is that to you? like okay, that must be babesia is like do you have you seen a common link between people symptoms and what they have or what they need to do?


I think now because everything’s so muddled, it’s really hard to go off of symptoms. And I just sort of go into it now assuming that everybody has all of the things or most of the things because we all have a little bit of all of these things like you and I still have some level of heavy metal in our body. Maybe we have some level of mold in our body, we definitely have some level of pesticides, herbicides, plastics, etc in our body for sure. And so I just kind of assume that we have to start at the basics and start with the detox process and working through each toxicity as we go and as the body sort of allows us to work through those toxicities.

Mimi MacLean  17:08

So speaking of detoxing, what are your like your go to detoxes? Is it coffee enemas? Is it some kind of drainage,

Lauren Keller  17:15

All of them as much as you can do it as much as your body allows on your you know, level or scale of sensitivity. coffee enemas are wonderful for moving bile and moving the liver, which is you know, it’s the organ that gets hit the most from all of this stuff. Infrared saunas love them, I feel like everybody should be sweating on a regular basis. lymphatic drainage, massages, rebounding, dry brushing all of the things, the more that you can support each system, the more that you can maximize the way that we get stuff out of our body. Because we can only do it four ways pooping, peeing, breathing, and sweating, the more that you can maximize that the better outcomes you’ll have. And the less you have to really go after those pathogens. Because if your terrain is doing well, and you’re draining, and you’re able to bind, then all of a sudden, maybe the Lyme doesn’t make as much of a difference.

Mimi MacLean  18:05

Mm hmm. Right. Now, I definitely have seen positive impact from doing coffee enemas. But I’ve had a couple doctors tell me like ooo that’s not good for you because it’s gonna ruin your like biofilm of your guide or the bad also goes out with the good. What is your opinion on that?

Lauren Keller  18:21

So I think the literature is pretty clear that it doesn’t do that. I mean, we if you use like the Gerson therapy, as an example, you know, these people, Gerson therapy was originally founded for cancer. And so these people are doing like eight coffee enemas a day for a year, a year and a half or two years, and they come out the other end just fine with with an intact microbiome. So I would be much more concerned about two years worth of antibiotics and two years worth of coffee enemas for disrupting the microbiome. And also, you know, the coffee goes to the portal vein and go straight to the liver, you’re not sending this coffee all the way up through your intestinal tract and out again, and so in it and maybe wipe out some bacteria in the colon, possibly, but I don’t it’s not a huge contributing thing that I would say don’t do them because the benefits really outweigh the risks there.

Mimi MacLean  19:12

Mm hmm. And do you do the tea that Dr. klinghardt recommends the Cistus tea?

Lauren Keller  19:17

I do sometimes. Yeah. I recently heard him say if you’re not doing Cistus Tea, you’re not my friend. You’re not my follower.

Mimi MacLean  19:24

Oh my gosh, it’s so funny. And he does it every day. Like that’s what he drinks all day long. Does it matter if you get Cistus tea from like Whole Foods or if it’s his, is there a difference?


I mean, he says there is I know so when I’ve gone I went to a conference of his back in 2009 before all this COVID stuff 2019 excuse me before all this COVID stuff and he was saying that they source the cistus tea from Sardinia because it is so far from any herbicides or pesticide use that it’s very low, like low risk low contamination versus other systems. sees maybe there isn’t that degree of separation.

Mimi MacLean  20:04

This has been so like interesting and helpful. Okay, so if you have Lyme and you get to the point where like, okay, now it’s time to start so you don’t start treating the Lyme right off the bat, like not until the third or fourth phase? Are you using the ones that pretty much klinghardt kind of recommends like the biocidin or any of the herbals is kind of your path?

Lauren Keller  20:22

Yeah, I generally do the herbals, if we get to that place where we need to do herbals, to be honest. Like if you do a lot of the detox stuff, you get out of living and mold, you chelate heavy metals, you clear out parasites, the line is not really that big of an issue anymore. And then I find that I use very, very little herbs for Lyme, but in general, yes, I sort of combined klinghardt herbs, as well as the universe herbs. Interesting.

Mimi MacLean  20:49

So obviously you at this point, you would not tell somebody, they’re newly diagnosed, hey, go down the route of the antibiotics, because you think most of the time you can get cured or healed or feel better, or whatever you want to say it, I don’t want to be cured and get in trouble. But like you can feel better by doing the other path.

Lauren Keller  21:05

Yeah, for sure. 1,000,000%. I mean, if your body was functioning well, and your liver was functioning well, the Lyme literally wouldn’t matter as much. I mean, is there this idea that the line was weaponized, at some point in the line that we have in the US is more virulent? Sure. But I know that most of the people that come and see me have done really, really long term Lyme treatments, and there has literally been no focus on their detox organs, no focus on environmental issues. Nobody has ever looked into mold or heavy metals or parasitic issues. And so you’re talking about trying to like kill off this bacteria. And you have no way to get that dead and dying bacteria out of your body. You know, most of these people are constipated, they have swollen lymph nodes, they have adeema. They have these chronic symptoms that just haven’t gotten better at all with any antibiotic treatment. So that tells me like, if you’re not responding to antibiotic treatment, then there’s something else going on, like going on and getting missed when you’ve been banging your head against the wall for two years doing the same thing? Yeah.

Mimi MacLean  22:10

How many cases have you had it have been so difficult that your protocol has been like, harder to to get to a place where they feel better?

Lauren Keller  22:18

I really think the people that have done the long term antibiotics and really like harsh treatments, and then come and see me, and now they’re bed bound, and now they’re down to eating seven foods, they have histamine reactions to literally everything in their environment, you know, they have to live in darkness. That’s a very long road to getting them back to some, you know, stability, unfortunately. And I have a few that are like that. But we can’t even do zoom calls with each other, we have to do messages through voxer because they only have energy for three or five minutes during the day. Those are really really hard cases to get them back.

Mimi MacLean  22:52

Talk to me because you just mentioned something that light bulb went off. So I’ve gotten to the point now where I’m I get histamine reactions to a lot of things. What is that about? Like, why does that happen?

Lauren Keller  23:01

So I think it’s a microbiome dysfunction. I think the majority of people with histamine issues have some sort of microbiome dysfunction that hasn’t been addressed like leaky gut, or your your buckets spilling over so you have so much toxicity that you’re not able to get out that your body is like, you know, like, Oh my gosh, this is just this is too much. And it’s kind of like a chicken with their head cut off. You know, it just starts running around spewing inflammation and histamine and cytokines everywhere. And so you have to find the toxicity that you’re missing dampened down that cytokine response that keeps happening every time it sees that toxicity over and over and over again. Make sure that your bile is not recirculating. That’s a huge one. How do you do that?

Mimi MacLean  23:43

Coffee enemas?

Lauren Keller  23:44

Coffee enemas is one, this is going to sound really weird. But beans is another one. If people can tolerate beans, I often get them on beans like six or seven times a day. If they can tolerate it.

Mimi MacLean  23:55

Like to eat beans?

Lauren Keller  23:56

Beans, yeah. Essentially forces the bile out of the system instead of having it go back through bile recirculation. There’s a whole protocol actually called the beam protocol. And so I incorporate some of that. And then binders Of course, any other type of binders but beans really worked as a really cheap, effective binder.

Mimi MacLean  24:15

That’s interesting. And then I read somewhere some someone told me they’re like, if you’re using chlorella as a binder, that’s not good. Have you heard that before? That’s the first time I’ve ever heard that.

Lauren Keller  24:25

I mean, so klinghardt loves chlorella. I don’t share the same for chlorella. I use it sometimes. But I think you need to be relatively healthy to use chlorella, to be honest, and I worry about chlorella, with heavy metal issues. I think that chlorella can sort of not fully chelate heavy metals, but sort of pull them and it sort of causes a redistribution effect. And so oftentimes, when people are really toxic with heavy metals, and you introduce chlorella, they feel like total dumb, so I don’t use that until people are healthy, and then you can start using the chlorella to prevent further toxicity from happening. You know, so make sense.

Mimi MacLean  25:01

This has been amazing. How did you come up with your name to purple carrots.

Lauren Keller  25:04

So, back in the day I really started, you know, because I think we all like start with food, you know, we kind of get like obsessive about food and like we need eat a certain way in order to heal. And so I sort of started just wanting to do like nutritional counseling with people. And then I just realized, like, I have so much more to offer and so much more knowledge outside of nutrition. And now I actually do very little nutrition, but the name sort of stuck. And so it kind of went in with the nutrition side, and then it’s stuck. And I actually thought about changing it a couple of months ago, and everyone was like, Dude, don’t change it. We know you as two purple carrots. So now I just feel like I’m going to be two purple carrots forever.

Mimi MacLean  25:41

Oh, my gosh, and you are moving out of the United States forever. For a little while or?

Lauren Keller  25:46

so I’ve been here three years. And I just renewed my visa for two more years. So I think I don’t have any plans to go back. It’s definitely a better lifestyle. For me personally here.

Mimi MacLean  25:58

Sounds wonderful.

Lauren Keller  25:59

Yeah. I love it.

Mimi MacLean  26:02

That’s great. That’s great. Is there any other like last minute tips that you would offer anybody right now that you know, that feels lost and doesn’t know where to go? And like, for me, I’m like, every time I hear it, I can use doctor or practitioner talk. I’m like, Oh, I’m gonna go to them. That was like the shiny object like, right, you keep going. And then that’s the problem, then you stay with them for three months, and you’re like, I’m not getting better. And then you leave and you go to somebody else for three months, and you just get on this vicious cycle? At least that’s what I’ve done for the last five years.

Lauren Keller  26:28

Yeah, it is really hard because it is like the practitioner, you know, merry go round. I think for people sometimes, I would say, you know, you can do a lot of the foundation work on yourself. Like you really can like you can you have everything you need to be able to heal yourself, I would say start tapping into that intuition. Number one, we all have it, we’ve just sort of lost it over the years and chronic illness really makes us question our intuition. So like, does this thing that you’re doing feel good to you physically, as well as intuitively or not, I really tapped in a lot to my intuition on taking supplements and stuff, you can learn how to do muscle testing on yourself, you can grow in that knowledge base in the beginning, it’s going to feel super clunky and weird. And maybe you won’t trust the results. And that’s fine. But that grows. But I think at the end of the day, like the mindset is really key. And the more and more that I do this work, the more I dive into like the mind body connection piece, because number one, if you want to go about looking at the science of it, we have lots of science like sort of proving this sort of proving whatever was Mind Body connection. Look at Bruce Lipton, Biology of Belief. Look at Mark Wolin, who talks about intergenerational family trauma, we’ll get Joe dispenza, who literally had a broken back and healed it with meditation alone, we have more power than we think that we do. And I think chronic illness really depletes that power, even more than maybe it was before you got ill. But it really is there, you can do it. And you can tap into it. So I would say focus on your draining detoxing and binding, you can do that on your own. And really start looking at the mind body connection and how you can tap into that intuition, which is it’s a difficult road to, but I think it will lead to better outcomes than just banging your head against the wall and seeing you know, a new provider over three months and ending up in five years in the same position you’re in now.

Mimi MacLean  28:27

Mm hmm. No, it’s so true. Like, just get helpless. And it’s just it’s so hard. It really is. So I feel for everybody who’s going through it because I know when you get better, you’re like, I want everything about it again and then all sudden you have a crash and something triggered again. And you can’t figure out what triggers it and then it makes you mad because you’re like, wait, I was fine yesterday and now I’m in bed what happened why and and then it just kind of self fulfilling prophecy. It is.

Lauren Keller  28:49

Yeah. And but it’s also part of our mental loop that we don’t even realize we’re doing. I didn’t realize I was doing it. I mean, I literally tell people that 60 or 70% of my healing was regulating my emotions. I mean, that’s not simple. It took a long time. I freaking hated meditation, I was sitting meditation and just sit there the whole time. Like, this sucks. I hate it. Like this is the worst thing ever. And then you just you just do it and you do it consistently and things do change. And so when I just started realizing that I wasn’t powerless, and that you know the road is a little bit bumpy sometimes but it probably didn’t really have anything to do with what I did yesterday in terms of what I ate or what I did or didn’t do. I start like being so neurotic about it. Things started to fall into place more and I started trusting myself and trusting my instincts and going more off of that.

Mimi MacLean  29:40

To get to that emotional place. Did you use a program did you use meditate? Did you have a guide because there’s a lot of you know, online courses that you can take or different paths like I just learned about like the whoop method and then you the EFT and like there certainly is there one that you would recommend or that you used.

Lauren Keller  29:55

I do a lot of EFT I think it’s a great accessible place to start because it’s Easy to learn, you can’t do it wrong, you know, you just start doing it. And then you sort of find how it can work better for you. And then you change things as you go. I talk about Joe dispenza a lot, I think his teachings really changed the way I thought about everything in life and chronic illness. So his meditations were like a massive part of my healing. At one point, I was dedicating like two hours a day to doing to being in meditation, and being in a state of gratitude, and sort of elevating, you know, He always talks about us being addicted to these emotions of fear, and worthlessness, and, and all of this stuff that comes with chronic illness. And so we can just be in a state of elevated emotions for a period of time, it literally changes our cellular structure and allows our immune system to have a fighting chance against all of this stuff. So Joe dispenza, and that’s totally free. I mean, it has Well, I guess, not totally free, you have to buy his meditations, which are like $5 apiece on iTunes, but he has tons of videos online for free. I did do goofed up for a while to help kind of rewiring which is similar program to like dnrs. And I found that helpful, but for me, personally, like I just really resonated with Joe dispenza his teachings and so that I think made the biggest impact. And then in the moment when I was having symptoms, and I needed to do something more active, the EFT really helped me like, oh, like I’m having air hunger now. And so I would kind of go through the EFT and how the air hunger was making me feel. I’m feeling really out of control and feeling really terrified right now. I’m never going to get better. It’s giving me anxiety. And then you kind of work through that EFT while doing that.

Mimi MacLean  31:35

Hmm, interesting. This has been amazing. I thank you so much for your time. And if anybody wants to learn more about Lauren or see any of her courses, I saw that you have some courses also online on your website. Just go

Lauren Keller  31:51

Yeah. Thanks.

Mimi MacLean  31:54

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